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17-223

PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:40 am
by M.O.A.
i was just woundering if anyone has ever necked down a 223 to a 17 cal bullet or if u can do this?
if so how does it shoot and would it be ok on a coyote or just groundhogs and such?

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:53 am
by lyonch
OK Tim Anderson let it rip :D TA will have all the info you are looking for on this one :wink:

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:09 am
by M.O.A.
is he related to randy anderson as in calling all coyotes randy anderson ?

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:48 am
by Tim Anderson
Thanks Chris.. :oops:


i was just woundering if anyone has ever necked down a 223 to a 17 cal bullet or if u can do this?
if so how does it shoot and would it be ok on a coyote or just groundhogs and such?


A 223 necked down to 17 cal . has been done before. Yes it will kill coyotes but there are better choices if a caller was to take this route.. The cheapest route would be to go with the 17 Rem., you can buy loaded ammo for it or reload for it and get a little more performance out of it and will also give you a little more vel. over the 17-223...
The coyotes up in the northern states are a little bigger than the ones found in the southern states so I prefer to use a 30 gr. bullet to get the job done and want it moveing along at 3800 fps min.
Some better choices would be the 17 Pred. which are made from a 223 case with the shoulder blown out and a shorter neck. Exspect vel. with a 30 gr. to be around 4000 fps. with this cartridge.
Another choice would be to take a 204 case and just neck it down to 17 cal. or go the improved route which is a clone to the 17 Pred with the only difference being a little longer case to hold more powder. Exspect vel around 4000-4250 fps.
The 17 rem., 17 Pred.,17-204, and the 17-204 imp. will do anything a 223 or even a 22-250 can do as for down range performance goes and will also do less damage to the hides if you are into saveing them for sale...

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:54 pm
by M.O.A.
ok thanks for the input im looking in to a hot little number to build up and u guys talking about the 22 243 got me to thinking about stuff

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:17 pm
by LeviM
If you have any questions regarding a .17 caliber, Tim's the guy to ask.

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:37 pm
by bucksnbears
LeviM wrote:If you have any questions regarding a .17 caliber, Tim's the guy to ask.

absolutaly... Timmers grabs a bottle of Jerkins and a roll of paper towels when the .17 subject comes up :mrgreen:
edited to add. so do i Tim when big bucks are the subject. :D

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:01 pm
by Tim Anderson
Bucks: Maybe at one time but not so much anymore.. Even gave up shooting big bucks, got pretty boreing.. :mrgreen:

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:55 am
by bucksnbears
:lol: :lol:

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:25 pm
by M.O.A.
ya me to i got a barn full of racks but just a hand full of yote hides on the wall i like the fact thet u call them in like ducks

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:37 am
by Jake
I know would like to change up a 223 to a 17/223 and if he wanted to add FPS and Energy to hunt Ground Hogs, why don't he go with a 220 Swift, even a factory round pushes over 4,000 FPS and the Energy with a 35 Grain is around 1835FPPS you can load it up to a 65 Gr.
In 1935 made the fastest Factory Varmint round That's exactly what happened back in 1935 when Winchester introduced the .220 Swift. Loaded to a muzzle velocity of 4,110 fps with a 48-grain bullet, it was more than 1,400 fps faster than the .22 Hornet, which had been the fastest pure varmint cartridge available in factory-loaded form. When both cartridges were zeroed the same, a bullet fired from the .220 Swift shot as flat out to 400 yards as one fired from the .22 Hornet at 200 yards. This meant a good marksman, shooting a rifle chambered for the exciting new cartridge, could plaster the crosshairs in his scope on the nose of a standing groundhog and place a bullet in its boiler room at any distance out to 400 long paces. It wasn't short on killing power, either–delivering as much energy at 500 yards as the Hornet was capable of at 100. Putting that Many FPS an energy could take a Yote out at 200 yards, it is shot placement and an accuracy of the round.
The Swift's ability to shoot bullets into small groups has not gone unnoticed by others, either. Years ago, Ruger factory technicians who tested rifles were required to keep accuracy records on all calibers; doing so revealed that rifles in .220 Swift had a slight accuracy edge over those in .22-250.
My own experience with various rifles in the two cartridges has been similar. Some of the rifles in .22-250 I have worked with through the years were incredibly accurate, but as a rule, those in .220 Swift had the edge. The difference was seldom great, but it was consistent enough to make the .220 Swift become my favorite long-range groundhog cartridge.
With Proper sight placement with this speed and accuracy, why put in in on the back shelf, I just hope to give some other op. I love my 223 for Yotes
Jake

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:26 pm
by bucksnbears
M.O.A. wrote:is he related to randy anderson as in calling all coyotes randy anderson ?


sometimes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol:

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:28 pm
by leadbiscuit
I've come to think that accuracy is primarily the result of a properly built rifle with good chamber dimensions. Assumuming quality brass is available for the rounds a person is comparing. If a person feels the swift is superior to a 22-250, by all means go with the swift. Confidence is a huge part of good shooting.

There are small advantages to certain features in a case design. This is the reason the 6ppc has replaced the 222 and it's variants in the benchrest world. In a hunting rifle though, it mostly comes down to a properly built gun and good quality dies and components. Just my 2 cents.

have a good one
leadbiscuit

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:42 pm
by Jake
leadbiscuit, I was just giving some info. of Choices Yote Hunting in SW Pa. I Like the 223 or 22-250
Ground Hog Hunting I like 220 Swift, You did bring up a Good point and is well taken, But enjoy Reloading
Enjoy Life and the Hunt

Re: 17-223

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:47 pm
by leadbiscuit
Jake,

I don't doubt your swifts have outshot your 22-250's. I'm only suggesting there may have been other factors involved.

I wish we had a huntable population of ground hogs here in MN. We've got chucks, but they stick pretty close to buildings and wood piles. It's not like hunting them in the open. Have a good one.

leadbiscuit