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Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby iowayote » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:24 pm

Just wondering what you guys would recomend for shooting fox. I have a 22-250 a .222 rem and a .204 and it seems that all three are a little tough on the pelt. The shotgun works good but it is tough sometimes to get them in close enough for a shotgun shot.


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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby bucksnbears » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:52 pm

i just started shooting the barnes tsx 45 grain in my 250 and am super impresses with the way it performs on fur. hav'nt shot a whole lot of fox with it but so far its been awesome. full penatration, great shock, small entry and exit. as for the .222 i've shot probably over 200 fox withb it and i've found the 50grain sierra blitzkings to be the best overall. hope this helps :D
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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby Coyotehunter » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:44 pm

the Rem. .17 was built for fox. shoot a 25 gr. bthp and just slow it down some. 3800-3900 fps would be a good place to start. bullet/load developement still apply but try to avoid the temptation to get 4300 fps out of the gun.
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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby Tim Anderson » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:04 am

I always used a 17 Mach-4 with 25 gr. Hornadys, 17 Rem. with 25 gr. Hornadys and the 221 F.B. with 42 Gr. Calhoons.. Like Coyotehunter said keep the Vel. down around 3800 fps for the 17 cal.s and 3000 fps for the F.B.


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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby yotter » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:52 am

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First off--- Hello to the forum. I am 72 years of age and still having fun. Have aquired most of the items required to get the job done here in WV. Never Shot a coyote (yet) but will. One showed up in my driveway , Thought it was a domesticated dog. The Gait of it walking off gave it up as a coyote.
While reading my reloader manual I may have found another answer to iowayote s question. The Lyman manual states that: Page 106 Barnes Banded solid Spitzer in .22-.30 are a great choice for hunters looking to preserve valuable pelts.
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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby iowayote » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:28 pm

Thanks for the info guys. Has anyone tried the .17 Rem fireball yet? I see that it looks similar to the .17 rem and it seems like it may be easier to find a rifle in that caliber.


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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby Tim Anderson » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:31 pm

The 17 F.B. is a clone to the 17 Mach-4 with the shoulder angle changed a little.. I used the 17 Mach-4 on red fox for alot of years as it does a great job and it still has enough steam for a coyote under 200 yds..
If you are thinking about going the 17 cal. route and plan on shooting mostly fox then the 17 F.B. is the route to go..


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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby barebackjack » Mon May 11, 2009 5:47 pm

Back when we actually had fox around I shot alot with the Rem.17. Probably one of the best, if not the best fox caliber there is.

After seeing what the .204 does to coyotes, I would think it too would make an excellent fox caliber.


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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby Dcoy » Tue May 12, 2009 3:25 am

Impossible to beat the 17 Rem for fox.Only difference is,I never slow anything down. :D But then,I've never worried about fur,just making sure all their super glue lets go at impact.If we had fox like 20 years ago,I'd be seriously looking at a .19 caliber-maybe a Calhoun variant.


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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby Live Oak » Tue May 12, 2009 7:10 pm

Have you tried the Barnes Varmint Grenade bullets. Depending upon your rifle barrel twist rate, you can use the 50 grain for fast twist barrels or the 36 grain for the more common 12 or 14 twist rate 22-250's.

http://www.barnesbullets.com/products/r ... t-grenade/


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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby bucksnbears » Wed May 13, 2009 5:46 am

live oak, i've tried the varmit granades quite a bit and from what i've seen they do work well on fox sized animals but have been horrible on coyotes. i shoot them from a 22-250 at about 4300 and a .222 at about 3400. there can be damage from the 250 but they do work awesome in the .222. however my .222 is a 1-14 twist and does not shoot either the 36 or 50 grain well. about 1.25 inch group is all i can get. my 250 is a 1-12 and shoots the 36's awesome but can be a bit destructive on fox
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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby Live Oak » Wed May 13, 2009 7:34 am

Not sure if you noticed but Barnes came out with a 30 grain varmint grenade for the .22 Hornet this year. Your 222 barrel may be able to stabilize that projectile. Just a thought. Might be worth a try.


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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby bucksnbears » Wed May 13, 2009 7:38 am

i'll be all over that one. thanks for the info :)
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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby Tactical.20 » Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:37 pm

I shot a lot of fox when I was younger, before the mange took them. I used a fmjbt 55gr from Sierra, it worked real good on broadside head, neck and rib shots. Hit at an angle or hit a bone, look out! I believe the 17 MachIV is supposed to be a good round. I shot a couple in the front of the chest angled into the body with my Tactical.20, using a Berger 35 gr, they didn't exit, but jellified the inside! If it has 6" to 8" of body to go into, it probably won't exit.


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Re: Caliber to Minimize Pelt Damage?

Postby 2putt » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:06 am

What about a .17 hmr? .20 gr hollow point for fox? too small for yotes but how about fox?
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