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Postby Dcoy » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:08 pm

If the following is not appropriate on this site just delete it,no sweat.

Obviously we live in troubled times.Times much different than I grew up in.Sad and unfortunate shootings and other crimes involving firearms are daily occurrences and with todays instant communication systems are spread around and hammered home repeatedly in an almost numbing fashion.
Our new leader and this congress,I believe,are serious threats to our 2nd amendment rights.While the new administration and congress have not done much yet,I suspect in time,after achieving other objectives,they will try-and try hard.
I think its important for all of us to prepare to act to protect our rights now while we all have time to reflect on how WE intend to respond to this threat when it comes.IMO the best way is to get the e-address's for your senators and representatives(State and Federal) on your 'contact' list now. Then consider doing what I do,and will continue to do.E-MAIL them all EVERY TIME an issue that concerns me comes up.I suggest you also consider providing this same simple contact info to all your friends and neighbors who support the 2nd amendment.Many bitch about things but FEW actually act.The easier you can make it for people to act,the more likely they will.Contact works!Professional politicians act when the numbers suggest they should.
Also,of course,consider supporting the 2nd amendment through the NRA and other similar orgs.
Finally,I've found it helpful and motivating to really think about the future absent the 2nd amendment rights we now enjoy.Scary.
What follows is a position on 'self defense' that I found interesting.
Good hunting!

Hopefully none of us will ever need a firearm to defend ourselves but,
more importantly, the following puts into perspective a way of thinking
that use to be respected but now is strangely under attack.

In one way or another I have been armed since I was old enough to have
my own .22 rifle. When I was of age I applied for and received a carry
permit, and have held one most of my years since then. Truth be told,
permit or not I have always had a weapon near me.

Since I grew up with weapons as tools, the morality of being armed was
never raised as an issue. You had a chain saw to cut wood, and you had a
firearm to defend yourself. You learned to use the chainsaw safely
because you would need the skill as a capable adult. For the same reason
you learned to shoot well and safely keep a weapon, as defending oneself
is what a capable adult does. Personal responsibility demands one be
able to do what's needed, and be able to use the tools to meet that
need. Anything less is a failure to oneself, ones loved ones, and ones

Later, in adult years, as introspection grew and answers to life's
questions were sought, I faced the issue of self defense. After carrying
a weapon for years I finally took the time to ask myself why, and took
the time to reason out an answer, or at least one of them.

I carry a weapon because it is the moral thing to do. It meets with my
definition of doing 'right'. Being prepared to defend myself and loved
ones is part of being a responsible person.

Please allow me to explain...

I believe people have a 'moral obligation' to take responsibility for
themselves, not leaving the task as a burden to others. I know this may
not be a popular concept in some circles, but that does not change it as
my belief. I know we are laden with entire generations of people who
honestly think they bear no responsibility for their own safety,
wellbeing, and actions.

I choose not to be one of those people.

I carry a weapon for much the same reasons as I usually have a pocket
knife and a flashlight around me. These are all tools I may need to take
care of myself and pull my own weight. To think of them other than tools
is silly. Everything a man lays his hands on to complete a task is a
tool, and no morality can possibly reside in the inanimate objects we

Why not leave my personal defense to 'The Authorities'?
For several reasons, as I'll explain.

It's simply not possible for any government authority to defend my
person. There is no arguing this point. Even in the most restrictive
environments imaginable, our federal prison system, there are daily
physical attacks resulting in death and injury. There is no 'civilized'
society in the world where government authority has been able to protect
and defend the individual citizen from criminals bent on harm. There is
an element, a breed, of humans who live as predators on their fellow
humans, and they reside next door to each of us. No amount of authority
can take on the task of defending the individual, no matter how well
meaning. If it must be done, then I must do it myself.

This notion of 'The Authorities' is often a nebulous one, with folks
forgetting that government service is peopled with humans no different
than ourselves. Good and bad, competent and worthless, our government
mirrors our population and that should cause a moments thought. When I
call on the police to help me, what am I really doing? I am asking my
neighbor to put his life on the line for my needs. Perhaps not when
simply investigating a break in or calming a troubled situation, but
often enough when danger calls. For an unreasonably small handful of
dollars I should expect the officer to arrive with weapon in hand and
interpose himself between trouble and I? Is this right?

It's here that morality raises its ugly head. How can I ask my neighbor
to risk his life for me when I am not willing to do so for myself? How
can I in good conscience expect an officer to care more for my loved
ones and me, than I do myself?

I was raised understanding that a man did for himself, and only asked
for help when he had to. This went hand in hand with the idea that you
always helped your neighbor when they asked, because they wouldn't ask
if they didn't really need it. That and it was part of the contract that
they would be there when you asked in return. This contract has fallen
by the wayside in our society, in many places. Too many now demand
'help' with every problem real or perceived, and too many honestly
believe that 'help' is owed them by society for some unknown reason. Far
too often, 'help' is defined as 'Someone come and do this for me because
I don't want to!'

I carry a weapon because I believe a person has a moral responsibility
to take care of themselves and not be a burden on others. The pistol I
carry on my belt, and the rifle stored in my safe, are nothing more than
tools needed to meet my responsibility. This is not a responsibility
that can be relieved by some fool wishing it so and announcing it.

It's a moral obligation that can only be self imposed, self delivered,
and self administered.

Earl G. Nash
If you can't stand behind our troops, please feel free to stand in front
of them.

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Postby Hitman off road » Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:35 pm

Wow, that was incredibly well stated.
If that doesn't make people think, nothing will.
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. They'll have to pry mine from my cold dead hands.

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Postby Dcoy » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:58 pm

Easy ways to contact your Senators and Reps.Consider passing these on to your friends.Good hunting!

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_i ... rs_cfm.cfm


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Postby lyonch » Mon May 04, 2009 7:32 am

Thanks for staying on the up and up with all this Dcoy!!
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Postby Dcoy » Wed May 06, 2009 7:16 am

Gun control logic by the antis

1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense -- give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p.125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumeration's herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arm" refers to the state.

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons", but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles", because they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, finger printing, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over hand guns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

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Postby jaybic » Wed May 06, 2009 9:06 am

That would be funny as hell if it were not largely true. How sick is that?


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Postby bucksnbears » Wed May 06, 2009 12:07 pm

the more food you have in your mouth at one time, the better you can taste it!!!
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Postby lyonch » Thu May 07, 2009 4:18 am

Good job guys at keeping us informed! Keep the post coming
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Postby Dcoy » Thu May 07, 2009 2:21 pm

''You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.''
- Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto WWII

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Postby Tango » Thu May 07, 2009 10:48 pm

thanks for the reminder of cwp. looks like i will be getting mine next week got to get some of its things in order app, pic, money, yeah know. i talked with a local law enforcer & he said that i should consider in getting it soon ( i have had it before but let it ran out after moving to the southern part of ND) because of what he says that he sees in his line of business is that the Pres. is going to make some radical changes which we (conservative thinkers) knew if he got in. if you want them you better get them soon. no doubt.
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