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I looked at the WT website and I couldn't find a price list. How are they priced compared to the FP?

Dusty,
Last I heard the WTs were about $480-down from $800.On some websites people that had paid $800 were pissed the same unit was price cut nearly in half.Those paying the $480 were happy of course.

Well i like ford but dodge makes a great product! LOLOL wow never heard so much bickering over name brands i have always used a foxpro i really like their product but could definetly be louder.

I have never heard anyone besides this conversation have anything good to say about Bill and his customer service though.

Bickering Brad, constructive criticism you have to get to know Bill and Pat and form your own opinion. If you read other forums other places not all FP buyers are happy with their product. Look and see how many are for sale by callers on these same forums. Much tougher to pick up a used WT, people don't sell them and when they do they go fast.

It looks to me like :

1. Price wise the same
2. Remote,sure different, needed functions, range, LED, sleep feature, etc. nothing I see that would make ME lean one way or the other from the remote.
3. Sounds, many more actual sounds to choose from with the WT.
4. Reliability, betting those antennas are going to break and that little toggle switch is going to be a problem on the back of the horn, again I am basing this on having one hanging on my side like this for over three years. Which is when WT had the first in the horn caller out there. I'll bet you in 3 years the FP will have a few changes.
5. As for the tech. GB 24 vs. 40vs. DB's makes my head hurt. Seems to be some conflicting information here from the tech side!!! My WT is loud, can't stand in front of loud, IMO loud enough. Could I use more volume? Well you will get to a point where it is counter productive, covering to much country and to many coyotes off one stand, locating I won't be able to hear what answers from so far off, happens at times now with the chain of communication as each group sounds off. Again it sounds like the FP has similar volume and clarity , maybe?? I am curious how the hand call sounds when amped up.


It looks like FP has now what WT has had for over three years. I am betting there is something coming newer and improved in the future, always is!! I want to be with the leader in that field, not the one trying to catch up. Back there the view never changes.

Hell I had to beg Bill to sell TA one, something about a blacklist?? So he can't be all bad!!

FP has improved itself with this caller, I guess you all with the older ones could turn them back into flashlights and car alarms!! Easy now just joking!!

Randy, gave Bill several opportunites to be a civil human being, he decided that wasn't his life path LOL. Everything was "MY" fault no fault of the unit, that early attempt of the 3 way cobble jobble was just that an attempt! After too many issues I decided I could do better for myself and have. He states the new unit is 3-5 times louder than any other unit? How did he figure that?

The foxpro remote is each to his own. I like the back lit display, the ease of setting presets and also the ability to change volume step ups, that way I don't need to hold down the volume button as long to get closer to max. I also like not having to have a soundlist, that is a great advancement. On the WT how would you keep 500 sounds on that? What kind of list would you need? A pocket note book? He states the ability to hold 1,000 sounds not really who would know what is what without a paper trail?

I can tell you unit to unit compairing the same 10w or 15 w the WT is not 3-5times louder. The switch and antenna should be fine as the antenna folds down nicely out of the way and does swivel as well. The switch time will tell how many 1,000's of on and off it will take, plus the FP also lets you know both on the remote and unit when your batteries are at a low point, asking does the WT tell you this?

The DB testing shouldn't be conflicting when an outside source AKA just another caller with some sound background knowledge does the testing.

I be;lieve the 3-5 times louder is in reference to a mouthcall, it states "wildlife caller" that's how i took it.

The remote on a WT does tell you when the batteries are low. Light flickers.

Don't know how a guy would keep either 500 on a FP or 1000 on a WT I'd have a cheat sheet like those NFL QB's do on my wrist. Overkill by both, IMO I do not need all those features in my remote that the FP has, does the FP shut itself off?? WT does. Even in my old age I seem to remember all the numbers of the ones I use, I doubt I would be able to read that list anyway, everythings goin downhill!! Glasses to read etc.

Trust me, those antennas are going to break. The old antenna on the WT remote got changed for a reason, looks very similar. Then again i tend to use mine more often and rougher than most. I can find a weakpoint real quick. Ask Bill!! That little toggle used to be on WT's, not there anymore, guess why?? Cold weather will snap it right off!! It's made out of cast isn't it? Wt now has a much heavier built and shaped not to catch on whatever.

As for the DB research on monster review, as they state, with the WT being nonprogramable and not using sounds from a medium well, whatever they hell that is, they could not use the same sounds recorded at the same levels. They admit the flaw in the study. I am sure you read it in there. It looks like volume is a wash but I was suprised by that little M1's volume and Les's new callers. If I read it right most all the other callers played the same sound only the WT played a sound which they deemed comparable.

The difference is the quality and quanity of sounds you get with a WT. Yes FP is getting more but still behind, 30 some actual coyote vocalizations to choose from, selection. Do you need 30, maybe not, but it's nice to choose from a bigger selection, not to mention all the other real sounds. You have to admit WT has the best selection!!

Those first WT's we got were a mess, I agree 1,000,000,000%!!!!!! Like all the rest they come a long way. I am going to charge up my JS cassette tape player, if it takes a charge, been sittin a while, and try and kill one this week with it. Just for old times sake, it was the Cadillac in it's day. Hope I can find the charger?? Any wagers???

Randy I hope that C24 works flawless and you kill a bunch of coyotes with it. Bill and Pat are good people, sometimes in some people you just have to look a little deeper.

On a related not Randy, what do you know about rechargeable batteries?? I have lost 8 out of 12 that last 2 times out, won't recharge. Energizer AA's. Had them for 8-9 months, wore out ya think!! Got 12 new ones today. Sure get hot when they recharge!! Anybody else feel free to chime in!

Don't know if switch is cast? It seems like solid metal chromed? I guess I will find out in the cold but is protected inside of the plastic molding somewhat? Yes the FP remote will shutoff after 20 mins of non use. The batteries in the FP remote last a long time I have been messing with this remote for 3 weeks or a little more and the battery meter on the screen has yet to drop even 1 bar off full!

I would ask what charger are you suing to charge those energizers with? One thing Joe at FP told me was, they have yet to make a charger built for a 10 tray pack and instead of just shipping one for the sake of it they want to wait until they can make a good charger, until they recommended using a charger built for charging them in a series out of the pack. I was told that in a series charge if your trying to charge them that way in the tray the chargers made now charge in series in the tray and not all batteries drain at the same rate so why your adding power to those less forutnate ones they are still passing through the maxed out ones creating heat and making your rechargeables get really hot and shirtens recharge life by alot!

I bought at Sams a 8 pack of AA energizers and it came with their 2 hour charger and then I bought a 4 pack and another charger so unless they are real dead a guy cna charge 10 of them up in 3 hours or so. I also have eneloops and they work really well too. So far haven't seen much differance between the 2 but over time I may. Eneloops are supposed to last longer like 800-1,000 recharges and hold a charge at 80% for 6 months.

So if your using a charger Bill sent to try and charge them all at once in series in the tray that might be your issue as or you could have got a bad batch of batteries if this hasn't happended before. I'm lloking at a 10 AA charger 43.00 but it charges each one seperate of the other like the energizer charger.

Ditto what Coyotelatrans said in the second paragraph above-and I sure wouldn't charge the two smaller triple A remote batteries with the last 2 double A batteries in the 10 for the unit.Overheat for sure in my charger.Hateful but I'm now charging only 2 at a time.Not sure that makes a difference but think so.

yep the boys at foxpro are on top of their game when it comes to the small details. A little bird also told me No way the lithium battery idea WT tried for awhile would work with the AMP/ circutry as they would create way to much heat. Presto no longer using lithiums on them because of the heat generated. I won't say who that little bird was but he was right!

I charge 4 at a time in the energizer 15 minute charger usually can get them all charged in a little over a half hour.

The batteries that i got with my WT are the Energizer 2500 mAh. Mine have lasted two years so far and i just had two go badd this spring. If the batteries will no longer take a charge then try chargeing them in youre vehicle they may need to get excited again and if that don't work then they are done.. For a charger Bill sent one along with my caller that holds four batteries and has a built in cooling fan but i did some checking and hot batteries being recharged is normal and nothing to worry about.. I have noticed the batteries in the holder draw current from one side rather than both sides at once, so when i charge mine i take four from the same side and charge together and do the same for other side and then i end up with two batteries one from each side i charge together.. My charger takes about 15-30 minutes to charge all the batteries

TA didn't the rechargeable WT deal just start last year about this time, wasn't your WT pretty new when i took it to the Classic this Jan. ??????

Randy now you got my hair hurting..LOL I think youre right.. Come to think of it i bought it two springs ago. I used it for almost 200 stands last summer and this last winter.. I believ i bought my Minaska BC two years ago or was it 3 yrs..LOL Hard to remember those things when i'm haveing fun..

I went back and looked it was March of 08 when I emailed Bill to get you off the blacklist You must have got it early summer. Did you get your remote updated??? You still have the one with the antenna don't you??

I do not have a dog in this fight, I have hunted with O'Gorman and he uses the WT. Seems to like it, had the same complaint that I hear from everyone else about the issues with the owner of the company. It was loud and had some great sounds. I have a foxpro and have gotten to know Steve Dillon. Class act and absolutely a dream to work with if you have problems with the unit. mail it to him and he fixes it. quick and no questions asked. As far as volume..........well if you are on location you do not need to be so loud. if you are off location you may not even hear the response because of the distance. Lots of issues to discuss on this topic of volume. Randy eluded to some of them in a earlier post. Both units have there positives and negatives. I have a few sounds that I recorded myself and besides the foxpro group howl they are all I use. I sent the sounds to foxpro, they converted them for me and I loaded them on my player. I have a old JS 512 that is loud as hell with the big speaker and booster. Called in a lot of coyotes with that thing. pretty simple. it was a bit heavy and bulky but so is my gun. Anyways.............I just can not imagine that I can call in one more or less coyote with either unit. Maybe...........there are all kinds of things I can not imagine. I couldn't imagine getting a job hunting coyotes full time but here I am.