OK Terry,you win.LMAO!!!!
Thanks for the help.
Levi,the Springer is 8 now.Its a story for a separate post sometime soon.In fact,Terry will appreciate and probably understand how a trainer knows things.The quick version is I love Springers too.The best pheasant/sharpie dog I've ever had was this guys predecesser.He got cancer and died(damn near killed me too

)I wanted a replacement asap and went to the kennel/trainer/breeder I wanted.He didn't have a litter age wise I wanted but saw this guy all alone in a kennel.I asked what about him.Guy says "its the line you want but you don't want him,he'll be a pain in the ass all his life and you'll have to be 'on him'constantly".I said how do you know at that age?He smiled and said 'I just do'.Wife and I went outside and talked.She was dead against him,I wanted him,we bought him.
HE WAS RIGHT!!!

Been 8 yrs of 'pain in the ass' but man does he hunt.No one would put up with him but me(he barks and growls at everyone/everything) and he drives me up the wall but-I'll say it again,man does he hunt!Pics to follow soon.