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shooter93 wrote:i think the biggest mistake of any caller isnt always the sound, but is being seen before you see them, and probably the biggest mistake is putting the call to close with a continuious call, Tim maybe a rabbit hat on your lip would get them closer, lol

I would have to disagree, not having proper stand set up is the biggest mistake along with not being on location. You can blow a thousand different distress sounds and if you are getting winded or not calling to any coyotes your not going to have a very successful day

. my success went up on the older dogs when i started using a bark and a howl about 15 min into my stand, but i always go directly back to the rabbit and they usual are on a run to steal the rabbit from the smaller dog. but i dont use aggressive male howl. dont think you can do that with the electric call and get the old dogs to come in that has been burned before, but i think using the elecronic with the mouth howler would do the same

It depends on what electric caller you have. I don't have a fox-pro so i don't know anything about their sounds.
I do have a WT and the sounds that come with it i can paint pretty much any picture i want to bring them in..
( Hunger, terr., social structer,curiosity,greed, ect.) The WT has enough sounds to cover the entire year for hunting coyotes... There are times when i do use a hand call with the WT and thats when the coyote is in close and i'm trying to work them for a shot, i may need to go to a hand squeaker or maybe give them a few barks or a howl. Alot has to do with where the coyotes is at the time and if i can get away with a little movement..

i think the biggest mistake of any caller isnt always the sound, but is being seen before you see them, and probably the biggest mistake is putting the call to close with a continuious call,

What is the difference if you are hand calling or useing an electric caller sitting right next to you??
I almost always have the caller right next to me on my left side when i call, but i only do this in areas like S.D where the country side is pretty much wide open. I try to blend in with the vegatation with good camo and lay on my belly or on my side and can roll up into a sitting position for the shot, also depending on where i set up i maybe in a sitting position to start with. Each stand is different... One of the reason the caller is at my side is i like to take the caller and sweep it from left to right and back when i first start calling. ( from 9:00 position to 3:00) i can cover more area and call farther out in each direction. This is the way i do it and it has worked well, i even got a badd time from some members on another site for doing it this way.. Then another member brought up that callers like Blaine Eddy and a few others also do it this way. ( Blaine E. is a fur hunter and kills over 100 coyotes a year by calling)
Now if i was calling in heavey cover then i would most likely place the caller up wind and away from me but still allow me to see a coyote when it comes in..

I prefer a mouth call over an e-call but thats just my preference. Plus I personally get more satisfaction out of doing the work myself and getting results.

Coyotehunter wrote:

barebackjack wrote:Got a foxpro that hasnt seen the light of day in over 2 years. Mouth calls are more versatile, you can change tones/sounds/volume at the "flip of a lip".

Electronics have educated ALOT of dogs! Repetitious sounds, poor sounds, abuse (like letting it run non-stop for 20 straight minutes) etc etc etc etc. I think the biggest and most common mistake e-call rookies make, is having the volume to loud.

Sorry man but I do not agree with that statement either. How long the call runs for and the volume, has nothing to do with educated coyotes. Missing coyotes, being seen walking in on stand, winded, poor set up location, pressure..............these all have something to do with spooky coyotes. I have never heard or seen a volume knob on a dieing animal. They scream as loud as they can for as long has is takes to die. If a antelope is caught in a fence, he is loud and will bawl for hours. No coyote is run off by this.

I do agree with you on the fact that all those other factors also add up to educated animals. But I dont know many deer, antelope, jacks, or cottontails that can get the volume a foxpro can get when shes cranked up.

I also firmly believe that repetitous sounds further educate already educated animals. If you got a dog thats already been dinged up a few times I really do think they pick up on those repetitous "loops" of sound, espcially if it goes on for long, uninterrupted time periods.

The only good thing IMO about ecallers, are what I call the "novelty" sounds. Stuff like the "dyeing songbird", "coon/coyote fight", "aggravated clown", "sexed up magpie", these unique sounds that are tough or impossible to replicate with mouth calls. That and the extra volume potential is nice on windy days.

I think most of the problem with e-calls is that to many people view them as a "magic cure" sort of thing.

I don't have much experience with e-callers, but I like hand calls because your eyes have the same point of view as the sound. Sometimes its hard to spot incoming coyotes sneaking in on the sound-source. With an e-caller playing for too long, they might notice the caller before you spot them. That's one way I think e-callers might educate them.

With hand calls, my eyes see exactly what the dying rabbit would have-- and that's where I want to be.

I agree with barebackjack somewhat. I think its easier for people to use e-callers. If that's easier I think they might be more appealing to beginners who might also get alot of the other factors wrong-- setup, wind, etc. like coyotehunter mentioned. Both are true imo

moot issue for me, to poor to buy an e-call .

there is alot about both sides, but the best thing is to understand the coyote and vision how he will come into a stand and not let him see you, because we all know that he will show up behind you when possible, had alot of coyote i never saw but there is his tracks 20 feet behind you in the snow, i would use the e call for bobcats at night though. i do think the ecaller makes it easyer for rookies which dont understand how much movement and when to shot and when to not too

You can use what you like but i think some of you are really missing the boat here.. I don't want to repeat myself so just go back and read the posts with the pluses and maybe you catch on a second time, if not no big deal..Tim A.

Carry 'em both in the truck and use 'em equally. IMO they both have a place in our arsenal.

i prefer carryin both to a stand with me when hunting alone because u can only blow one mouth call at a time and when howling u can hit pup distress and howl on the ecaller and also put an extra howl in there with the mouth call. try it very good results

we all have ower own little things that do for us, it comes to the same thing as fishing, you find a certain lure that works you use it more than the other so it is more producive then the other, if we can only figure out how to call coyotes and fish at the same time, life would be good!