Sowhat does everyone think of the new WT "ATOM"?

[coyotelatrans]

I was looking on the WT site and seen Bills new call, I find it a little odd that he no longer advertises the TOA speaker call and that allpredcalls has them marked down to 399.00? It looks different for sure. I also would have thought this would be the time to add an open system that many would like from WT? The compairsons where interesting for sure. It seems when he compairs his callers he likes to use the smaller speaker systems of foxpro? Wonder why he didn't compair his TOA unit, with the CS-24 and fury up against the new ATOM? One can clearly see the surface area differance in the two speakers, not to mention the new unit is a 15volt-21volt verus a 12 volt FoxPro for testing?
I will say the country song sounded much clearer through the ATOM than the foxpro, but why not use a distress sound or coyote howl? Wondering why a country song? Better to distinguish the differance? Yet are we using these to listen to music or call coyotes? because Bose has anyone hands down when it comes to replucating music. I would like to hear and see one of these up close and have a look at it. Also wondering on battery life and AA with that much juice being used 21 volts is alot of power but the more volume the more power and the quicker it goes away, all a trade off for the indvidual using it though. I will say price wise it is inline with many other callers. Open ended system would have been nice seeing how he downloaded the country song on both, why not allow others to do the same? If the calling is slow at least a guy could listen to some Hank Jr in style that way!

[lyonch]

Tim Anderson made a post on this in the product review section. It seems as though no one wants to put the best they have against the best the competitor has. Fox Pro just states a WT caller and WT uses fox pros lower end calls. Its amazing the angles people use in advertising. To me it seems like they are trying to compare a Ford Taurus to a Chevy Corvette. They will both get you from point a to point b. Just get out there and make stands and learn location. Once you are 100% on location you could probably get by with just a mouse squeaker!! Sorry i have just had that location thing drilled into my head so many times its hard not to bring it up

[coyotelatrans]

Locating your coyotes is location and that will up your odds by alot no doubt and then how many coyotes have been killed with a PVC howler or distress sound? I understand where your comming from but it is fun to watch them play the game of who has the best caller known to man. One thing is one will show the differance while another trys to proclaim it's product as superior and anything else is inferior LOL.

[RandyRoede]

Chris, it would be kind of irrelavent for WT to compare to the 24 because it is what they have been selling for years. It still amazes me how this FP in the horn caller is NEW!!!The Fury is listed as their latest and greatest and the technology from the fury implanted in the 24. That's why it is used.

What you see are other ecaller companies comparing their latest and greatest against a WT that has been out there for years and now WT throws out a new caller like no other, again leading the pack. Read the information on the WT website, not from someone who knows very little on a forum. Read how long WT has been doing what they do with the quality of sounds, the 24 bit vs. 16??? Do you get any tech information like this on the FP website??

They can't even tell a wolf from a coyote on the WT sticker on the horn in their comparison. Whats that tell ya??

This new caller is just WT again leading the pack and the others trying to stay in the race. Their view never changes. Maybe about 2-3 years from now we will see a FP model with some similarities of the Atom like with the 24. MAYBE!!!!

If you want to have the loudest with the best sounds with operating ease buy one. You may want to note the size of this new caller 5" by 5" by 9 3/4"!!!

I find it interesting that the before mentioned test of the 24 vs. the WT the playing of recorded music thru the callers was a test of the dexterity of the units sound system yet now this is questioned???

Randy this new luv you have for the 24 is what WT owners have been experiencing for years, you can thank WT for showing it to FP so they could come up with the 24. Now they have something new to try and keep up with.

Yes I do put my money where my mouth is, a new one is coming my way along with a few more to friends and coworkers, been waiting for awhile for it to all come together and I am anxious to see and hear what it can do and how it will hold up. All that volume will be nice on these windy days, better to have it and not need it than to not have it and need it .

Keep using what you want and what works for you all. Seems kind of wierd how at first we are praising something that is a WT clone and now questioning a new WT. Sucks to be on top I guess, everyone is gunning for ya!!

JUST SMILE AND WAVE!!!!!

[lyonch]

JUST SMILE AND WAVE!!!!!

LMAO i like that one Randy I am personally not partial to either one. I have yet to hear a WT so i can not say they are good or bad. I do agree with you randy that WT does have a pretty good track record. Beofre a guy knows it, these callers will become so complicated to run you will actually have to read the owners manuals first

[LeviM]

The good ole boys must be rolling in their graves! Whatever happened to grabbing a hand call and blowing till were blue in the face.

[Coyotehunter]

The good ole boys must be rolling in their graves! Whatever happened to grabbing a hand call and blowing till were blue in the face.

AMEN

[Coyotehunter]

I have probably said this before but I did hear a WT when I was with O'Gorman, it was loud and clear.

[coyotelatrans]

Randy R your telling me the test was compairable? really? Your taking a unit that is not is loud as the CS-24 with less power the fury runs on 8AA and the CS-24 and Bills "old" unit both run on 10AA and your compairing it to something that runs oon 15 volts to 21 volts??? You call that the latest and greatest? You and I both know why Ol' Bill didn't run it up against the CS-24 or his model 2030 as there would be little to any differance! My question is how is the old 2030 ran off 10 AA and the new unit which takes 14 AA both 3-5 times louder than any other caller? You have more power and yet it still remains the same? Which by the way independant testing proves otherwise with the 2030. I will provide all a link at the bottom to read for your selves.

Then tell me how the new "ATOM BOMB" is better in dynamic range over the "OLD" 2030 caddilac of callers when he states on his own site the 2030 315hz-12.5Khz and the new unit is 300hz-10.5Khz? If I can get 3-5 times the volume running less power then how is the ATOM better than the TOA? Bill stated once the TOA speaker is the best speaker ever built for coyote calling. 24 versus 16 bit could you please explain the ramblings of his? First he states he is the only one doing 24 bit which I think is false, but then states it is a selling gimic becuase the human ear can't tell the differance, please read the ramblings at the bottom of the page on WT's website. So which is it BIll the 24 bit is better or is a marketing gimmic and why? You also will note he never refuted FP findings which they have posted on this subject matter! If anyone has that please post a link to him stating differently.

Why wouldn't Bill allow the buyers to choose from the 2 units? The Old caddilac 2030 or the atom when a new one comes out the old goes by the wayside? I would think more choices would mean more business correct? It is not a love of the TOA speaker as much as the remote,sounds and the ability to add sounds to such a unit that has me excited about the cs-24 plus the fact it beats any to date for volume from independant testing! It is what is on the inside that drives the sound that makes it better than the WT 2030 IMO and remote features.

RandyR I could really care less but the arrogance of Mr Martz and if your not using his product your not calling coyotes in the numbers you should/could be is where I'm at. I have called coyotes with many calls both e callers and mouth calls and I know I'm not loosing out because I don't use a WT. In fact I maintain becuase I can add my own sounds I'm ahead as I can play things others have limited access to.

I wish OLd Bill would have tested things more on an even plain didn't happen and I would think none the less, but to really show how evolutionary the new atom is it should have went up against the best the WT 2030 in some minds and the FPCS_24 ir if he has a liking to test callers that are housed in flashlite case body's got his hands on the new prairie blaster from FP at least the speaker size would have been compairable. All one needs to do is look at the size compairsions of the two speakers and know which one would have created more volume not to mention the power source differance.

Please read the following this testing was done with no motive and was some of the best testing done on callers to date by a 3rd party with no dog in the fight. It may open some eye's if not, run what you brung.


http://www.predatorwild.com/index.php?/ ... ison-2009/

Just wave and smile boys as I take your hard earned cash I see the bumper stickers now LOL. Just havin some fun on his one liner.

[coyotelatrans]

coyotehunter get a chance listen to a 15 watt CS-24 from FP. This is larger than the standard done in testing. I have the 10 watt on order for my personnel calling. Small compact and very loud as the independant testing shows plus full 5 year warranty on their units. IMO Bill left the door wide open as this has been a very popular caller due to the simplicty and design and he has decided to walk away from it? My question to him would be why? Offer both units! now FP will stand to sell alot more of these due to ease of transport, volume, clarity and remote. The fact remains those that are open ended meaning you can add sounds will outsell any closed sound system because you are at the mercy of the maker to add sounds or move sounds around and his prices on sounds can remain you have no other option with a closed system caller.

Boy the more I read on WT site the more mind boggling it becomes. He states FP never had 24 bit sound equipment until a snitch told them what to buy, then he says FP doesn't record in 24 bit, so why did they buy the equipment you told the "snitch" to buy? Then he states you really can't tell the differance between 16 or 24 bit unless you have real exspensive equipment to tell them apart, yet he has claimed all his sounds are 24 bit digital, well if you had it in the toa speaker then why couldn't FP who has the same recording equipment and a better board not have it?

so in 82 he began recording in 24 bit analog which he states as better than the 24 bit digital of today? yet then states he converted them all to 24 bit digital when it was possible. Question: How is better than to convert it to digital than record with digital to begin with?

[Coyotehunter]

I do use the FP but that is what was issued, I use only my own sounds on it. I recorded them with my digital camera, converted to MP3 and uploaded with the FP program that you get as a free download off of the FP site. I do not know if it is 24 bit or what ever. I do call in coyotes though. It is one of the small flash lite looking ones. Most of the year I use just a song dog and one of Steve thompson's calls. I will have to say the one I have is not very loud at all. But I ain't trying to call them in from a mile away either. I got the old JS 512 for that, with the 50 watt amp. HEEEHAAAAA!! Big black bastard weighs about a ton. Battery charge lasts forever.

[lyonch]

That was a very interesting read on electronic callers. It was a bit lengthy but informative. For me personally it was a reassurance of what i had purchased, but i dont by any means rule out any of the other callers. As mentioned before, they will all kill coyotes. Get on location and you wont need all the fancy gadgets and gismos I dont think this debate will ever be over. Just becuase the caller can do all these great things doesn't mean that they will kill you more coyotes. The number of coyotes killed using an electronic call are all done by the user himself. A quality product can be complete junk if the user doesn't know how to operate it on a stand. Im sure Randy has his select sounds that he uses time and time again. If it didn't work for him he wouldn't have his job. Why fix whats not broken. I'm sure coyotelatrans was turned on to the other side and is now successfull with them. As long your tactics work for you stick with them. If that means blowing a rabbit call till your blue in the face like levi mentioned go for it. Just get out there and get on stand and you will learn more then any caller can give you!

[coyotelatrans]

Coyotehunter I did try the FX series and the reason I didn't are for it was the lack of volume, I do agree with the line of thought that volume can be a real asset, but again there is more than one brand of caller that can give you that volume doesn't have to have a "wolf sticker" on it. Come on let's have some fun!

The best saying he has is He has the know how to turn a novice into an expert coyote caller overnite! Why didn't I just call him 26 years ago and be done with my education of coyotes? Man I'm just a dumb A** spending all that time chasing when one call to Bill would have made me an expert overnight The only thing louder than a WT is his ego more fun!

Lyonch good post and on the money! I would say some benefits of a caller with more features could help kill a few more coyotes over some with less features, depending on the situation and the features used. A quick button for getting the 2nd coyote to stop after you shoot the first one is a benefit in my mind, volume is another in some cases. I will agree no one has the monopoly on the caller market as can be seen by sales from all makers but FP does offer the most choices for a broad range of callers there needs,wants, price and terms of use in the field than any other.

I think this is a good healthy debate as long as we respect each other then back it with facts and prior use experiences. Nothing wrong with bringing these issues to the table as for along time they didn't until some have done some independent testing and product lines have evolved.

Problem with grabbing the hand call in "some" cases as those coyotes are downwind magnets and proper positioning of an e caller gets them in your lap. That is the biggest benefit for an e caller to me move the sound away and positioning of coyotes, second is the true to life sound and multiple sounds coming from a speaker at one time, has helped kill some angry coyotes that I needed to kill, when other sounds didn't fit their fancy.

[Coyotehunter]

I agree 100% on the ecaller positioning when you are hunting alone. when I am in rougher country and don't have the dogs, the ecaller with the remote is a very nice option. I do use it more in the fall when the dogs aren't with for the purpose of getting the focus off of me. in the spring and summer when I got the dogs...........well I get away with murder at times. literally.........I kill them all!! LOL The dogs are the best remote caller you could ever own. Great debate and topic. I have heard from some great coyote guys that the WT has some great sounds and good volume. If I had it I would use it. Some of those ecallers out there I would not even take out of the truck. some real junk. I have talk with Steve Dillon a number of times and he is just a great guy. Enthusiastic about his product and always willing to give me a hand when things if I need help. He also supports a lot of events and tournaments. Don't bite the hand that feeds.

[coyotelatrans]

Yep dogs are nice I have one she is not an agressive dog more of a decoy than anything else but still does help as they can see her and if they come she goes to barking and caring on, but she isn't a big roamer need to get another for trailing and roaming, this summer found alot of cover and her use was more limited due to these facts if she couldn';t see the coyotes or the coyotes couldn't see her not much good over calling with summer time sounds. You can get by with alot more as those coyote focus on that dog and the movement we make just isn;t picked up near as much. Some studies show that a visual leads to more coyotes comming in to a stand and not worrying about the wind as much without a visual, another key to decoy dogs. I had one at less than 1 foot from me 1 time as my dog was 3 ft to my left and that coyote came up a steep bank and about run me over made a circle and the dog was barking and he stopped at 30 yrds and was just going to it with barks dropped him and in a wisp of grass 80 yards away lay the female just watching everything unfold never taking her eyes off the dog I needed to change my prone postion by 180 degrees to get the scope on her and even with all the movement she didn't move 1" and just kept watching my dog she died where she laid. That was fun.